dcarter wrote:
Are you high? Read the first 4 SENTENCES! Yes technically, you are correct. If the author had described the 'event' in a way that i felt was accurate, then I likely would not have posted. But non-high people would understand that was what i was saying not that i felt it was a primal scream not a "woo'. The "woo' is wrong, if you will. Your power to draw me in will never falter. I commend you.
I'm neither high nor trying to draw you in. I was simply trying to understand what your beef is/was with the article.
Breathe in, breathe out..
Clearly, things that I feel have been clearly stated are unclear to others. Even if I forgot how to draw breath, fortunately it is autonomic. (I know, I know. You were implying that I am tightly wound, as you sometimes do. And in this instance you are right. I got into it with the 18 year old before work this morning. Thanks for providing a release. ) And someone earlier mentioned VC. I have never lurked or posted there.
dcarter wrote:No, non-indepth readers. I stated that "you may think that what he does is incredibly lame ..." I could not give a damn about someones opinion of anyone. The 'concert reviewer' and Jodel are simply saying something untrue. I am obviously a huge tweedy fan. I am also a huge jay fan. I have traveled many miles and spent lots of money to see them both (and Sleater-Kinney). I listen to both more than anyone else - save Sleater- Kinney which are about equal. Oh, and the "primal scream " is not a Tweedy quote. It was my quick but somewhat inaccurate, characterization. I won't try to explain "The Kingpin" 'thing' again. If you think it is lame, feel free. But if you are interested in intellectual honesty, you will make sure that you understand it before you judge it or anything else for that matter. I am not perfect though. I have no idea if Jodel is, in fact, a bitter, failed musician. I apologize. Sincerely I do. That cheap shot was the most "lame" thing in this thread.
Ok, great.
Now back to the question: your problem is that the author of the article stated that Tweedy asks the audience to yell "wooo" when in fact he is asking for a 'primal scream'?
Are you high? Read the first 4 SENTENCES! Yes technically, you are correct. If the author had described the 'event' in a way that i felt was accurate, then I likely would not have posted. But non-high people would understand that was what i was saying not that i felt it was a primal scream not a "woo'. The "woo' is wrong, if you will. Your power to draw me in will never falter. I commend you.
I'm neither high nor trying to draw you in. I was simply trying to understand what your beef is/was with the article.
dcarter wrote:No, non-indepth readers. I stated that "you may think that what he does is incredibly lame ..." I could not give a damn about someones opinion of anyone. The 'concert reviewer' and Jodel are simply saying something untrue. I am obviously a huge tweedy fan. I am also a huge jay fan. I have traveled many miles and spent lots of money to see them both (and Sleater-Kinney). I listen to both more than anyone else - save Sleater- Kinney which are about equal. Oh, and the "primal scream " is not a Tweedy quote. It was my quick but somewhat inaccurate, characterization. I won't try to explain "The Kingpin" 'thing' again. If you think it is lame, feel free. But if you are interested in intellectual honesty, you will make sure that you understand it before you judge it or anything else for that matter. I am not perfect though. I have no idea if Jodel is, in fact, a bitter, failed musician. I apologize. Sincerely I do. That cheap shot was the most "lame" thing in this thread.
Ok, great.
Now back to the question: your problem is that the author of the article stated that Tweedy asks the audience to yell "wooo" when in fact he is asking for a 'primal scream'?
Are you high? Read the first 4 SENTENCES! Yes technically, you are correct. If the author had described the 'event' in a way that i felt was accurate, then I likely would not have posted. But non-high people would understand that was what i was saying not that i felt it was a primal scream not a "woo'. The "woo' is wrong, if you will. Your power to draw me in will never falter. I commend you.
dcarter wrote:No, non-indepth readers. I stated that "you may think that what he does is incrdibly lame ..." I could not give a damn about someones opinion of anyone. The 'concert reviewer' and Jodel are simply saying something untrue. I am obviously a huge tweedy fan. I am also a huge jay fan. I have traveled many miles and spent lots of money to see them both (and Sleater-Kinney). I listen to both more than anyone else - save Sleater- Kinney which are about equal. Oh, and the "primal scream " is not a Tweedy quote. It was my quick but somewhat inaccurate, characterization. I won't try to explain "The Kingpin" 'thing' again. If you think it is lame, feel free. But if you are interested in intellectual honesty, you will make sure that you understand it before you judge it or anything else for that matter. I am not perfect though. I have no idea if Jodel is, in fact, a bitter, failed musician. I apologize. Sincerely I do. That cheap shot was the most "lame" thing in this thread.
Ok, great.
Now back to the question: your problem is that the author of the article stated that Tweedy asks the audience to yell "wooo" when in fact he is asking for a 'primal scream'?
dcarter wrote:You sir are simply wrong, incorrect, mistaken etc. Saying something doesn't make it so. I have seen Kingpin played on several different occasions and heard it on several more different occasions. I have never heard him ask the crowd to yell "woo".
You may think that what he does is increbibly lame but that still doesn't make it him telling the audience to yell "Woo". Many in the crowd yell "woo" but they are not asked to yell "woo". Even if at some show he literally asked the crowd to yell "woo" that doesn't make it so for all other Kingpin performances. I am sorry that JeffTtweedy made a career of music and you are embittered by it.
So.. your problem is that the author of the article stated that Tweedy asks the audience to yell "wooo" when in fact he is asking for a 'primal scream'?
I was thinking the same thing.
No, non-indepth readers. I stated that "you may think that what he does is incrdibly lame ..." I could not give a damn about someones opinion of anyone. The 'concert reviewer' and Jodel are simply saying something untrue. I am obviously a huge tweedy fan. I am also a huge jay fan. I have traveled many miles and spent lots of money to see them both (and Sleater-Kinney). I listen to both more than anyone else - save Sleater- Kinney which are about equal. Oh, and the "primal scream " is not a Tweedy quote. It was my quick but somewhat inaccurate, characterization. I won't try to explain "The Kingpin" 'thing' again. If you think it is lame, feel free. But if you are interested in intellectual honesty, you will make sure that you understand it before you judge it or anything else for that matter. I am not perfect though. I have no idea if Jodel is, in fact, a bitter, failed musician. I apologize. Sincerely I do. That cheap shot was the most "lame" thing in this thread.
TinyElvis wrote:
So.. your problem is that the author of the article stated that Tweedy asks the audience to yell "wooo" when in fact he is asking for a 'primal scream'?
Well, considering that Wilco audiences now have a high % of high school/college girls, a primal scream will sound like "woooo".
dcarter wrote:You sir are simply wrong, incorrect, mistaken etc. Saying something doesn't make it so. I have seen Kingpin played on several different occasions and heard it on several more different occasions. I have never heard him ask the crowd to yell "woo".
You may think that what he does is increbibly lame but that still doesn't make it him telling the audience to yell "Woo". Many in the crowd yell "woo" but they are not asked to yell "woo". Even if at some show he literally asked the crowd to yell "woo" that doesn't make it so for all other Kingpin performances. I am sorry that JeffTtweedy made a career of music and you are embittered by it.
So.. your problem is that the author of the article stated that Tweedy asks the audience to yell "wooo" when in fact he is asking for a 'primal scream'?
dcarter wrote:You sir are simply wrong, incorrect, mistaken etc. Saying something doesn't make it so. I have seen Kingpin played on several different occasions and heard it on several more different occasions. I have never heard him ask the crowd to yell "woo".
You may think that what he does is increbibly lame but that still doesn't make it him telling the audience to yell "Woo". Many in the crowd yell "woo" but they are not asked to yell "woo". Even if at some show he literally asked the crowd to yell "woo" that doesn't make it so for all other Kingpin performances. I am sorry that JeffTtweedy made a career of music and you are embittered by it.
So.. your problem is that the author of the article stated that Tweedy asks the audience to yell "wooo" when in fact he is asking for a 'primal scream'?
From the cited article: Later, during "Kingpin," audience members become active participants: Tweedy acts as conductor when repeatedly asking, "How can I?" before pointing at the crowd, demanding extended "woooooo's!" and signaling intermittent hand claps. After a minute of teasing he finally finishes his thought. "How can I give my love to you?!?" he sings, and carries the song home.
Yet another affirmation as to why I dig JF so much, and why this UT reunion talk is wasted energy. Clearly one of the two principals would have to totally compromise his views on perfoming, no? [Note to Wilcoheads: Not a shot at JT. Crowd participation is fine and clearly goes over well, just not my bag.]
If you have ever seen Wilco, then you know that this guys description of 'Kingpin' is misleading. It is audience participation but Tweedy isn't asking for people to go, "Wooooo!". It is a request for what could best be described as a primal scream. This has always been a part of 'Kingpin.The idea is that people sreaming together is cathartic. It fits in with the song and Tweedy's general idea that audience participation/singing along makes every live or recorded performance of a song different for each person listening. That is also the idea behind the 'Late Greats'.
You can still dislike this and think that it is lame but it is not getting the audience to yell, "woo", which is incredibly lame.
That is EXACTLY what Tweedy asks the crowds to do. And it is incredibly lame. Spinal Tap II.
You sir are simply wrong, incorrect, mistaken etc. Saying something doesn't make it so. I have seen Kingpin played on several different occasions and heard it on several more different occasions. I have never heard him ask the crowd to yell "woo".
You may think that what he does is increbibly lame but that still doesn't make it him telling the audience to yell "Woo". Many in the crowd yell "woo" but they are not asked to yell "woo". Even if at some show he literally asked the crowd to yell "woo" that doesn't make it so for all other Kingpin performances. I am sorry that JeffTtweedy made a career of music and you are embittered by it.
Just stop fighting that battle now. Many of the people here hate Tweedy for no other reason than they've made him Jay Farrar's imaginary lifelong musical opponent. I've pretty much figured out that if you're gonna say something positive about Tweedy here, you should either 1) Make sure you get in a "But JT is, like, sooooo lame" statement somewhere, 2) Just not say it, or 3) Take it to VC, the Jayhawks board, or various other boards as you'll most likely get a more positive response.
That being said, I like the tabloidy path this message board is taking in this thread. Keeps me comin' back. Well, that and teh Volt.
From the cited article: Later, during "Kingpin," audience members become active participants: Tweedy acts as conductor when repeatedly asking, "How can I?" before pointing at the crowd, demanding extended "woooooo's!" and signaling intermittent hand claps. After a minute of teasing he finally finishes his thought. "How can I give my love to you?!?" he sings, and carries the song home.
Yet another affirmation as to why I dig JF so much, and why this UT reunion talk is wasted energy. Clearly one of the two principals would have to totally compromise his views on perfoming, no? [Note to Wilcoheads: Not a shot at JT. Crowd participation is fine and clearly goes over well, just not my bag.]
If you have ever seen Wilco, then you know that this guys description of 'Kingpin' is misleading. It is audience participation but Tweedy isn't asking for people to go, "Wooooo!". It is a request for what could best be described as a primal scream. This has always been a part of 'Kingpin.The idea is that people sreaming together is cathartic. It fits in with the song and Tweedy's general idea that audience participation/singing along makes every live or recorded performance of a song different for each person listening. That is also the idea behind the 'Late Greats'.
You can still dislike this and think that it is lame but it is not getting the audience to yell, "woo", which is incredibly lame.
That is EXACTLY what Tweedy asks the crowds to do. And it is incredibly lame. Spinal Tap II.
You sir are simply wrong, incorrect, mistaken etc. Saying something doesn't make it so. I have seen Kingpin played on several different occasions and heard it on several more different occasions. I have never heard him ask the crowd to yell "woo".
You may think that what he does is increbibly lame but that still doesn't make it him telling the audience to yell "Woo". Many in the crowd yell "woo" but they are not asked to yell "woo". Even if at some show he literally asked the crowd to yell "woo" that doesn't make it so for all other Kingpin performances. I am sorry that JeffTtweedy made a career of music and you are embittered by it.
From the cited article: Later, during "Kingpin," audience members become active participants: Tweedy acts as conductor when repeatedly asking, "How can I?" before pointing at the crowd, demanding extended "woooooo's!" and signaling intermittent hand claps. After a minute of teasing he finally finishes his thought. "How can I give my love to you?!?" he sings, and carries the song home.
Yet another affirmation as to why I dig JF so much, and why this UT reunion talk is wasted energy. Clearly one of the two principals would have to totally compromise his views on perfoming, no? [Note to Wilcoheads: Not a shot at JT. Crowd participation is fine and clearly goes over well, just not my bag.]
If you have ever seen Wilco, then you know that this guys description of 'Kingpin' is misleading. It is audience participation but Tweedy isn't asking for people to go, "Wooooo!". It is a request for what could best be described as a primal scream. This has always been a part of 'Kingpin.The idea is that people sreaming together is cathartic. It fits in with the song and Tweedy's general idea that audience participation/singing along makes every live or recorded performance of a song different for each person listening. That is also the idea behind the 'Late Greats'.
You can still dislike this and think that it is lame but it is not getting the audience to yell, "woo", which is incredibly lame.
That is EXACTLY what Tweedy asks the crowds to do. And it is incredibly lame. Spinal Tap II.
Your power to draw me in will never falter. I commend you.
) And someone earlier mentioned VC. I have never lurked or posted there.
I was thinking the same thing.