Further proof that W is a piece of shit

sam6025 · Post by **sam6025** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 5:17 pm

elliegurl wrote:ah thanks for the definitions but how does that change what i was saying, that an independent person can have liberal views on some things and conservative on others...that is what an independent is!!!

Thanks for this...

STLBlues05 · Post by **STLBlues05** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:27 pm

regarding what was said earlier about the majority of the country voting for bush (which is questionable).
May I remind you what the majority of Americans have made YOUR top ten best selling cd's of the moment, source is billboard:

1 Hilary Duff, Most Wanted

2 Various Artists, Now 19

3 Mariah Carey, The Emancipation Of Mimi

4 The Black Eyed Peas, Monkey Business

5 Jim Jones, Harlem: Diary Of A Summer

6 Brad Paisley, Time Well Wasted

7 Young Jeezy, Let's Get It

8 Gorillaz, Demon Days

9 Kelly Clarkson, Breakaway

10 Green Day, American Idiot

Now,... does this speak very highly of the expectations of the majority of Americans?

Maybe bush is the best representation of America after all.

Hank Snow · Post by **Hank Snow** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:09 pm

I posted the definitions (1) cause I was bored and (2) because I noticed the similarities in the definition of liberal and independent.

I too am a (registered) independent with liberal views. I have as little use for the democratic party as I do the republicans.

I think I posted earlier in this or some other thread about the same thing Ellie was saying, it's a big world, with a lot of folks and we aren't all going to agree. That doesn't mean we have to disagree with such hate and venom (on both sides, not just the right).

elliegurl · Post by **elliegurl** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 1:31 pm

ah thanks for the definitions but how does that change what i was saying, that an independent person can have liberal views on some things and conservative on others...that is what an independent is!!!

one thing i keep trying to hammer home is that there are ways to discuss politics without attacking somebody for their views. with trying to tear the person down because they might not agree with you.
i also hate it when people just quote one small part of a response.
so are you trying to say i don't know what i believe in or is it that i don't have the right to my beliefs? i don't need to attack a person i disagree with or post derogatory pictures or even try to belittle them. i will always listen to opposing views as long as they are presented with respect...yea i know its a difficult concept to understand.

ellie

Hank Snow · Post by **Hank Snow** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 1:08 pm

(1) Blew up Iraq for no good reason
(2) Spent $250 BILLION blowing up and rebuilding Iraq
(3) Rode Bikes with Lance A

Sorry, That's all I can think of.

Seriously I think George's actions right after 9/11 and the swiftness with which the military took out the Taliban (in the country that actually had something to do with us being attacked) was commendable. Those people were harboring the people responsible for 9/11 and we went after them. everything else, including and especially Iraq is complete and total shit.

So there is one thing, that is all I can think of.

japhyryder · Post by **japhyryder** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 1:05 pm

thanks webster

STLBlues05 · Post by **STLBlues05** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 1:02 pm

what a pathetic disappointment. this has turned into the typical liberal/conservative, red/blue, fox/cnn bamboozlement that is thrown in our face daily to distract from this president's shortcomings. Thanks Karl Rove.

I'm STILL waiting on 3 positive effects of the bush presidency that I requested in my original post. People are great at defending republicans and democrats,...but receiving some POSITIVE hard facts about this presidents work is like pulling teeth.

I'll ask again. What good has this president done? 3 things? anyone?

Fenrisinho · Post by **Fenrisinho** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 11:43 am

peainthepod wrote:
Hank Snow wrote: lib·er·al (lbr-l, lbrl)
adj.
2. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.*

*Yet, there is no excuse for diggin' shit i.e Gangsta rap.
thats it
i'm a liberal
one question though
do i have to
enjoy the
ganster rap music now?

pea
blue state

No, but you gotta get some new glasses

peainthepod · Post by **peainthepod** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 11:32 am

Hank Snow wrote: lib·er·al (lbr-l, lbrl)
adj.
2. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.

thats it
i'm a liberal
one question though
do i have to
enjoy the
ganster rap music now?

pea
blue state

Hank Snow · Post by **Hank Snow** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 11:00 am

Hank Snow · Post by **Hank Snow** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 11:00 am

con·ser·va·tive Audio pronunciation of "conservative" (kn-sûrv-tv)
adj.

1. Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.
2. Traditional or restrained in style: a conservative dark suit.
3. Moderate; cautious: a conservative estimate.
4.
1. Of or relating to the political philosophy of conservatism.
2. Belonging to a conservative party, group, or movement.
5. Conservative Of or belonging to the Conservative Party in the United Kingdom or the Progressive Conservative Party in Canada.

fas·cism (fshzm)
n.

1. often Fascism
1. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

Hank Snow · Post by **Hank Snow** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 10:58 am

in·de·pen·dent (nd-pndnt)
adj.

1. Not governed by a foreign power; self-governing.
2. Free from the influence, guidance, or control of another or others; self-reliant: an independent mind.
3. Not determined or influenced by someone or something else; not contingent: a decision independent of the outcome of the study.
4. often Independent Affiliated with or loyal to no one political party or organization.

lib·er·al (lbr-l, lbrl)
adj.

1.
1. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
2. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
3. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.
4. Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.

japhyryder · Post by **japhyryder** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 10:51 am

elliegurl wrote:t>f god you are so predictable. and were does it say that indepenedent voters cannot have liberal views? ellie

you know what's really predictable? the fact that you keep saying that. also i think the definition of independent would disagree with you.

chao love

Fenrisinho · Post by **Fenrisinho** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:08 am

calexico wrote:
saratoga jay wrote:
My goodness. Will he be asking Fenry to be part of his cabinet next?

yeah right, he might ask Fenry to build his next cabinet.

Or maybe actually give back the perfectly good one that Fen robbed one night after several drinkies!

HEY! I do NOT steal cabinets, I never do that. I need one on the other hand!.........

calexico · Post by **calexico** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 2:12 am

saratoga jay wrote:
My goodness. Will he be asking Fenry to be part of his cabinet next?

yeah right, he might ask Fenry to build his next cabinet.

Or maybe actually give back the perfectly good one that Fen robbed one night after several drinkies!