Hands up for all who....

sam6025 · Post by **sam6025** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 1:18 pm

Damn you overachievers bitching about watching The Wall for college credit. I'd happily do it. It's not what you learn, it's the piece of paper they give you at the end.

jeffra · Post by **jeffra** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 1:11 pm

Yes Murph you are are 100% correct.

The proof is looking at the map of how people voted, by county, during the last US election. Its amazing. If we did not have the current electoral college then we would dismiss most of the geographical United States and only count the Metro areas, which reminds me of the Berlin song "metro". I am fading but, it safe to say that farmers vote will not be consumed by Berkely and NYU profs. Oh and college and the other college turd profs who claim they teach at Universities when there is nothing "uni" about it. Should be "PanEverythingexceptreligionversities" profs.

True story: I had a prof who attempted to teach Western Intellectual and Social History by showing the full version of Pink Floyd's the Wall. Isat and looked at the people watching the Wall and the frat bros were asleep,the "nerds" were taking notes, and I was laughing. If I wanted to watch Floyd I would have stayed home, drank a couple beers, smoke some recreational herbs, and not have to pay fuckin' college tuition. what a dick. prof dick. and the wall. Waste of time and money at a State college.

Fenrisinho · Post by **Fenrisinho** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 12:59 pm

Yea I see what you mean Sticky, Norwegian politics is very interesting indeed, lots of good discussion going on at the moment.(but you can't bitch though, since you know, you don't have a citizenship and all) I'm flattered that you (like most people 'round here) see my genious for what it is. But democracy, a universal thing.. I don't think so, it's strictly Norwegian and cannot be transferred into another (yet similar) context.

Peace, love
Frenchie Fenry

Sticky · Post by **Sticky** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 12:53 pm

I stand corrected. I made the assumption that the discussion was about the US elections. Please carry on your conversation about Norwegian politics at your leisure and disregard my earlier statements. I know nothing of Norwegian politics and would feel very stupid commenting on something I know so little about. I await your boundless knowledge and look forward to the education.

cheers

sam6025 · Post by **sam6025** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 12:39 pm

That shift was just them becoming more alike and blurring the gray area so people would be more easily swayed in either direction. I'm a 3rd party voter for president and usually split on others. No side is right.

Fenrisinho · Post by **Fenrisinho** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 12:39 pm

Sticky wrote:Last time I checked, the USA wasn't part of Norway. The topic is: did you vote in the US elections and if you didn't, do you bitch? You didn't and you do. We know that. Then you proceeded to tell people how to live their lives. We'd all like to be 23 year old, unemployed, Norwegian, poster nutbags, but not all of us can.

cheers

Yea, I know alot of people would like to be in my position

I voted in the last election, and I'm going to vote in this year's election as well. If you want to start your own American Jay Farrar messageboard site where one must show a valid american passport to enter and participate, then you're free to do that. I'm telling people how to live their lives? Everyone's free to state their opinions about stuff man, if you want to follow my advice, then fine. If not, well then there's nothing I can do about that. Nutbag you say? I've heard others refer to me as a fruit

Peace, love
Frenchie Fenry

note to self: that card saying: don't get irritated really works!

zbowho · Post by **zbowho** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 12:28 pm

Hey Jeffra!

I'm honored that something I experienced made it to your signature!

I am opting not to get into the political fracas, however.

Viva Kip Winger!

Sticky · Post by **Sticky** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 12:17 pm

Last time I checked, the USA wasn't part of Norway. The topic is: did you vote in the US elections and if you didn't, do you bitch? You didn't and you do. We know that. Then you proceeded to tell people how to live their lives. We'd all like to be 23 year old, unemployed, Norwegian, poster nutbags, but not all of us can.

cheers

Fenrisinho · Post by **Fenrisinho** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 11:40 am

You can fight for a cause without violence Murph. I agree that violence isn't a solution to anything (Except in self-defense) You can fight by stating your opinions (writing, protesting etc) no need for violence. Or you can go by organizations, or your own country. Political and democratical means are more preferable than military ones in my eyes.

Nice poster there Sticky - Last time I checked, it was still my country.

Peace, love
Frenchie Fenry

hollywood44 · Post by **hollywood44** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 11:39 am

Not voting doesn't make any statement. Let's be honest. Not happy with the two major party candidates? Vote Green/Libertarian/Communist. Think that's pissing away a vote?

In '92 Perot got something like 10-18% of the popular vote [that's approx., I'm not going to look it up]. Woefully short of victory, but that statement by dissatisfied voters forced the two major parties to sit up, take notice, and shift their platforms over the next four years. That's a much more powerful statement than if those same 10-18% had sat on their cans. By voting, they effected change in the major parties. By not voting, the major parties wouldn't have gotten that message.

dEvRoNiKa · Post by **dEvRoNiKa** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 11:31 am

I voted. Not that my vote made a shit, as I live in Texas (a hideously red state, as you know). I voted anyway. I knew it wouldn’t make a difference here, but I wanted my “I voted” sticker, and my opportunity to publicly denounce (through careful straight-ticket coloring-in-of-the-bubbles) this fucktard of a “President”. He was a shitty state Governor for us and has thus far completely bypassed all his gubernatorial atrocities a thousand-fold with his Presidential term(s). I am continually disgusted by his very existence. So disgusted that I’m probably flagged by the FBI. I might even have my own file!!
While, I’m not real happy with the Dems, they’re all we’ve got in the way of hope. I hope, that the Dems (collectively) take the damn gloves OFF and start doing their jobs less passively. Kerry and Boxer have been doing well so far, recently.
I protested his “election” in 2000 right there in front of his house in Austin, TX (the Governor’s Mansion), and if I were in close proximity to the White House, you can bet I’d be there freezing my tail off to express my disdain for the bastard there today as well.
I could go on.

Murphy · Post by **Murphy** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 11:28 am

I think what Jeffra meant was that we must be concerned with what Madison (I believe) referred to as the "excesses" of democracy. For instance, in a true democracy the potential exists for the majority to dominate at the expense of the rights of the minority. Concern over such excesses are indeed why the framers designed our system to be a republic rather than a direct democracy.

And, Frenchy, you keep pointing out that a democracy is something worth fighting for. I think the world has seen enough of people who are eager to fight for what they don't understand (freedom, democracy, power, faith, and the general "good"). I'm not saying this to insult you--I'm just saying that about the last thing we need is a fight--especially over something about which there are legitimate differences of opinion.

dcarter · Post by **dcarter** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 10:47 am

Aaah,Sticky. Thank you for the mod changing serotonin/endorphin rush. I really needed it.

sam6025 · Post by **sam6025** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 10:40 am

I'd like to add that not playing along says just as much as playing along.

Sticky · Post by **Sticky** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 10:30 am

Fenrisinho wrote:OR let's change our country and the world by not doing anything; let's see how far that'll get us.

It's not your country.

cheers